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les vilains hommes font des maris fideles :D
par CRyma Mer 6 Aoû - 16:54
Voici un article qu’on m’a envoyé aujourd’hui au travail et j’ai pensé le partager avec vous.
Chacun ici a son expérience sur le mariage. Soit parce qu’ils sont mariés, ont vécu autour des couples mariés, soit parce qu’ils ont divorcé.
Selon vous l’auteur a-t-il raison ? Ou c’est juste une aigris qui a été déçu par un bel être du sexe opposée.
[Why handsome men make bad husbands I
By Satoshi Kanazawa on April 03, 2008 in The Scientific Fundamentalist
You may have recently heard or seen the news coverage (in the New York Daily News or CBS news online, among others; you may have even seen the lead author, James K. McNulty of the University of Tennessee, discuss it on the Today show) of a study, published in the Journal of Family Psychology, that showed that couples in which the woman is physically more attractive than the man are happier than couples in which the man is physically more attractive than the woman. Why is this? Why is it better for the couple if the woman is physically more attractive than the man?
If you have been keeping score at home, the findings of this study should have come as no surprise to you. There are two different reasons why couples in which the woman is more attractive than the man are more successful and happier than couples in which the man is more attractive than the woman.
First, as we elaborate in Chapter 4 of our book Why Beautiful People Have More Daughters ("Go Together Like a Horse and Carriage? The Evolutionary Psychology of Marriage"), handsome men on average make bad husbands. Men can maximize their reproductive success by pursuing one of two different strategies: Seek a long-term mate, stay with her, and invest in their joint offspring (the "dad" strategy); or seek a large number of short-term mates without investing in any of the resulting offspring (the "cad" strategy).
All men may want to pursue the cad strategy; however, their choice of the mating strategy is constrained by female choice. Men do not get to decide with whom to have sex; women do. And women disproportionately seek out handsome men for their short-term mates for their good genes. Even women who are already married benefit from short-term mating with handsome men if they could successfully fool their husbands into investing in the resulting offspring. The women then get the best of both worlds: Their children carry the high-quality genes of their handsome lover and receive the parental investment of their unknowingly cuckolded but resourceful husband. (In order to help the women accomplish this, evolution has designed women to be more likely to have sex with their lovers when they are ovulating and therefore fertile, and have sex with their husbands when they are not.)
Thus, handsome men get a disproportionate number of opportunities for short-term mating and are therefore able to engage in the cad strategy. Ugly men have no choice. Since women do not choose them as short-term mates, their only option for achieving any reproductive success is to find one long-term mate and invest heavily in their children -- the dad strategy.
Consistent with this logic, studies show that more attractive men have a larger number of extra-pair sex partners (sex partners other than their long-term mates). Interestingly, more attractive men have more short-term mates than long-term mates, whereas more attractive women have more long-term mates than short-term mates. Most importantly for our current purposes, handsome men invest less in their exclusive relationships than ugly men do. They are less honest with and less attentive to their partners. McNulty’s new study of newlyweds confirms this. Their data show that the more physically attractive the husbands are, the less supportive they are of their wives in their interactions.
I hasten to add that "good" and "bad" (as in the title of this post "Why handsome men make bad husbands") are value judgments that scientists do not make. However, empirical data do demonstrate clearly that handsome men have more extra-marital affairs and are not as committed to their marriages, which many wives would undoubtedly consider undesirable. In this sense, handsome men make better lovers than husbands.
In my next post, I will discuss the second reason why couples in which the woman is more attractive than the man are happier than couples in which the man is more attractive than the woman. If you have been keeping score at home, it will come as no surprise.
Chacun ici a son expérience sur le mariage. Soit parce qu’ils sont mariés, ont vécu autour des couples mariés, soit parce qu’ils ont divorcé.
Selon vous l’auteur a-t-il raison ? Ou c’est juste une aigris qui a été déçu par un bel être du sexe opposée.
[Why handsome men make bad husbands I
By Satoshi Kanazawa on April 03, 2008 in The Scientific Fundamentalist
You may have recently heard or seen the news coverage (in the New York Daily News or CBS news online, among others; you may have even seen the lead author, James K. McNulty of the University of Tennessee, discuss it on the Today show) of a study, published in the Journal of Family Psychology, that showed that couples in which the woman is physically more attractive than the man are happier than couples in which the man is physically more attractive than the woman. Why is this? Why is it better for the couple if the woman is physically more attractive than the man?
If you have been keeping score at home, the findings of this study should have come as no surprise to you. There are two different reasons why couples in which the woman is more attractive than the man are more successful and happier than couples in which the man is more attractive than the woman.
First, as we elaborate in Chapter 4 of our book Why Beautiful People Have More Daughters ("Go Together Like a Horse and Carriage? The Evolutionary Psychology of Marriage"), handsome men on average make bad husbands. Men can maximize their reproductive success by pursuing one of two different strategies: Seek a long-term mate, stay with her, and invest in their joint offspring (the "dad" strategy); or seek a large number of short-term mates without investing in any of the resulting offspring (the "cad" strategy).
All men may want to pursue the cad strategy; however, their choice of the mating strategy is constrained by female choice. Men do not get to decide with whom to have sex; women do. And women disproportionately seek out handsome men for their short-term mates for their good genes. Even women who are already married benefit from short-term mating with handsome men if they could successfully fool their husbands into investing in the resulting offspring. The women then get the best of both worlds: Their children carry the high-quality genes of their handsome lover and receive the parental investment of their unknowingly cuckolded but resourceful husband. (In order to help the women accomplish this, evolution has designed women to be more likely to have sex with their lovers when they are ovulating and therefore fertile, and have sex with their husbands when they are not.)
Thus, handsome men get a disproportionate number of opportunities for short-term mating and are therefore able to engage in the cad strategy. Ugly men have no choice. Since women do not choose them as short-term mates, their only option for achieving any reproductive success is to find one long-term mate and invest heavily in their children -- the dad strategy.
Consistent with this logic, studies show that more attractive men have a larger number of extra-pair sex partners (sex partners other than their long-term mates). Interestingly, more attractive men have more short-term mates than long-term mates, whereas more attractive women have more long-term mates than short-term mates. Most importantly for our current purposes, handsome men invest less in their exclusive relationships than ugly men do. They are less honest with and less attentive to their partners. McNulty’s new study of newlyweds confirms this. Their data show that the more physically attractive the husbands are, the less supportive they are of their wives in their interactions.
I hasten to add that "good" and "bad" (as in the title of this post "Why handsome men make bad husbands") are value judgments that scientists do not make. However, empirical data do demonstrate clearly that handsome men have more extra-marital affairs and are not as committed to their marriages, which many wives would undoubtedly consider undesirable. In this sense, handsome men make better lovers than husbands.
In my next post, I will discuss the second reason why couples in which the woman is more attractive than the man are happier than couples in which the man is more attractive than the woman. If you have been keeping score at home, it will come as no surprise.
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Re: les vilains hommes font des maris fideles :D
par JCC Mer 6 Aoû - 16:59
What happens in couples where both the man and the woman are equally attractive 
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Re: les vilains hommes font des maris fideles :D
par CRyma Mer 6 Aoû - 17:03
infidelité au carré 
. cet article m'a fait rire
. cet article m'a fait rire
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Re: les vilains hommes font des maris fideles :D
par Ally Mer 6 Aoû - 17:28
I still wouldn't go for a ugly husband 
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Re: les vilains hommes font des maris fideles :D
par Silver Jeu 7 Aoû - 2:37
J'ai lu cet article il y a quelques semaines de cela, ils avaient mis les photos de BEYONCE et JAY Z et ceux de J.LO et MARC ANTHONY pour illustrer leur point.
Moi je crois que c'est bidon cette theorie qui dit qu'il faut que l'homme soit moins attirant que la femme pour que ca marche, soit disant parce que l'homme ne voudra pas perdre la belle qu'il a et qu'il n'est pas sure de remplacer par une fille similaire. La personne oublie plusieurs facteurs qui peuvent facilement contredire sa theorie:
- $$L'ARGENT$$: Combien d'hommes pas tres attirants on a pas vu epouser de tres belles femmes et meme les tromper et faire souffrir sans que ses femmes ne quittent tout ca parce que ces hommes avaient de l'argent ou un certain pouvoir/prestige. Exemple: Tabou Ley.
- Self-confidence: Il y a des hommes qui compensent leur manque de beaute physique avec une forte confiance en soi ou un certain charme qui attire les femmes. Tout comme il y a des bels hommes qui manquent la confiance en soi ou le charme/aura et n'attirent pas les femmes a cause de cette carence.
- Relativite de la beaute: comme je l'ai dit sur l'article que j'avais lu , JAY Z et MARC ANTHONY etaient les "moins beaux" hommes dont ils parlaient ,et BEYONCE et J.LO etaient les "beautes". Dans la vraie vie est ce que BEYONCE et JLO pensent que leur hommes sont moins attirant que USHER et JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE , par exemple? Je doute fort, il se peut que ces deux hommes soient les hommes de reves dans les criteres(beaute inclus) de ces deux femmes. N'est ce aps on entendu des histoires d'infidelite de JAY Z qui serait sortis avec RIHANNA...etc. Ca va a l'encontre de la theorie de l'article.
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Moi je crois que c'est bidon cette theorie qui dit qu'il faut que l'homme soit moins attirant que la femme pour que ca marche, soit disant parce que l'homme ne voudra pas perdre la belle qu'il a et qu'il n'est pas sure de remplacer par une fille similaire. La personne oublie plusieurs facteurs qui peuvent facilement contredire sa theorie:
- $$L'ARGENT$$: Combien d'hommes pas tres attirants on a pas vu epouser de tres belles femmes et meme les tromper et faire souffrir sans que ses femmes ne quittent tout ca parce que ces hommes avaient de l'argent ou un certain pouvoir/prestige. Exemple: Tabou Ley.
- Self-confidence: Il y a des hommes qui compensent leur manque de beaute physique avec une forte confiance en soi ou un certain charme qui attire les femmes. Tout comme il y a des bels hommes qui manquent la confiance en soi ou le charme/aura et n'attirent pas les femmes a cause de cette carence.
- Relativite de la beaute: comme je l'ai dit sur l'article que j'avais lu , JAY Z et MARC ANTHONY etaient les "moins beaux" hommes dont ils parlaient ,et BEYONCE et J.LO etaient les "beautes". Dans la vraie vie est ce que BEYONCE et JLO pensent que leur hommes sont moins attirant que USHER et JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE , par exemple? Je doute fort, il se peut que ces deux hommes soient les hommes de reves dans les criteres(beaute inclus) de ces deux femmes. N'est ce aps on entendu des histoires d'infidelite de JAY Z qui serait sortis avec RIHANNA...etc. Ca va a l'encontre de la theorie de l'article.
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Re: les vilains hommes font des maris fideles :D
par Le Negrier Jeu 7 Aoû - 11:27
Je suis tout a fait d'accord avec les arguments donnes par The Special One. Cet article contient beaucoup d'arguments non soutenus par l'experience de la vie courante. En plus de ce The Special One a cite, j'ai aussi pu noter ce qui suit:
1. L'article dit "couples in which the woman is physically more attractive than the man are happier than couples in which the man is physically more attractive than the woman.". Comment est-ce que une femme peut etre plus attractive que son mari? Est-ce la beaute de la femme et celle de l'homme sont juges selon les memes criteres? L'article ne nous dit pas sur quelles bases elle considere certaines femmes plus attractives que leurs maris.
2. Qu'est ce que "happier and successful" signifie? Est-ce le fait que le couple demeure ensemble plus longtemps que la moyenne des couples celebres?
Cet article est un bon exemple de ce que je deteste dans les soi-disant experts. Des gens qui changent de point de vue tout le temps et embrouillent le public avec leurs studies bidon. Si vous avez le temps, lisez un bon bouquin sur ces gens et les PR et marketing "gurus". Le livre s'intitule "Your Call Is Important to Us: The Truth About Bullshit" by Laura Penny. Vous pouvez lire un synopsis du livre en bas de ce message.
Personnellement, je crois que les couples heureux et qui restent longtemps ensemble sont ceux ou les conjoints s'aiment, se font des concessions, et travaillent regulierement a sauvegarder la relation. S'engager avec une personne parceque elle belle ou laide tout simplement n'est pas une bonne decision. Un coureur de jupons le sera toujours et une coureuse de pantalons le restera. La "beaute" de la personne ne determinera pas necessairement son comportement.
"YOUR CALL IS IMPORTANT TO US: THE TRUTH ABOUT BULLSHIT"
SYNOPSIS (FROM BarnesandNoble.com):
Never in the history of humankind have so many people uttered so many statements they know to be untrue. From presidents to priests, from corporate executives to lowly wage slaves, people have taken to saying not what they actually believe, but what they believe others want to hear - not what is, but what works. Penny dates the age of bullshit to wartime propaganda. She traces the evolution of post-war public relations, the ascendancy of the media, and the triumph of advertising and marketing. Advertising creep and marketing-speak. Polling. Politicians. Focus groups. Spin doctors. Tobacco companies. Worldcom. Enron. Arthur Andersen. Tabloid journalism and dumbed-down media. Few areas of modern life are spared.
This is a book in the tradition of No Logo and Fast Food Nation, an inquiry into the scripted artifice and dishonesty Penny finds at every turn. "If my call is so important," she asks, "why doesn't anyone answer the damn phone?"
1. L'article dit "couples in which the woman is physically more attractive than the man are happier than couples in which the man is physically more attractive than the woman.". Comment est-ce que une femme peut etre plus attractive que son mari? Est-ce la beaute de la femme et celle de l'homme sont juges selon les memes criteres? L'article ne nous dit pas sur quelles bases elle considere certaines femmes plus attractives que leurs maris.
2. Qu'est ce que "happier and successful" signifie? Est-ce le fait que le couple demeure ensemble plus longtemps que la moyenne des couples celebres?
Cet article est un bon exemple de ce que je deteste dans les soi-disant experts. Des gens qui changent de point de vue tout le temps et embrouillent le public avec leurs studies bidon. Si vous avez le temps, lisez un bon bouquin sur ces gens et les PR et marketing "gurus". Le livre s'intitule "Your Call Is Important to Us: The Truth About Bullshit" by Laura Penny. Vous pouvez lire un synopsis du livre en bas de ce message.
Personnellement, je crois que les couples heureux et qui restent longtemps ensemble sont ceux ou les conjoints s'aiment, se font des concessions, et travaillent regulierement a sauvegarder la relation. S'engager avec une personne parceque elle belle ou laide tout simplement n'est pas une bonne decision. Un coureur de jupons le sera toujours et une coureuse de pantalons le restera. La "beaute" de la personne ne determinera pas necessairement son comportement.
"YOUR CALL IS IMPORTANT TO US: THE TRUTH ABOUT BULLSHIT"
SYNOPSIS (FROM BarnesandNoble.com):
Never in the history of humankind have so many people uttered so many statements they know to be untrue. From presidents to priests, from corporate executives to lowly wage slaves, people have taken to saying not what they actually believe, but what they believe others want to hear - not what is, but what works. Penny dates the age of bullshit to wartime propaganda. She traces the evolution of post-war public relations, the ascendancy of the media, and the triumph of advertising and marketing. Advertising creep and marketing-speak. Polling. Politicians. Focus groups. Spin doctors. Tobacco companies. Worldcom. Enron. Arthur Andersen. Tabloid journalism and dumbed-down media. Few areas of modern life are spared.
This is a book in the tradition of No Logo and Fast Food Nation, an inquiry into the scripted artifice and dishonesty Penny finds at every turn. "If my call is so important," she asks, "why doesn't anyone answer the damn phone?"
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Date d'inscription : 11/06/2008
Re: les vilains hommes font des maris fideles :D
par Yoshi Jeu 7 Aoû - 11:41
the special one et le negrier ont tout dit. je pense que cet article montre combien l'amour est superficielle dans la societe americaine. il y a des gens qui prennent ces "experts" au serieux et construisent leur vie amoureuse sur leur avis. ce n'est pas etonnant qu'aux etats-unis un couple sur deux divorce.
Yoshi- Nombre de messages : 357
Date d'inscription : 20/06/2008
Re: les vilains hommes font des maris fideles :D
par mogo puissant Dim 24 Aoû - 19:18
chez nous homme doit etre virile. homme peut etre villain jusqu'a..tant qu'il est virile et la femme est belle ya pas drap. quand john bri attaque a la maison ce n'est pas beaute de l'homme qui va defendre la famille c'est sa force sa virilite qui va agir. quand homme et femme mougoussent au lit ce n'est pas beaute qui fait crier la femme c'est sa force sa virilite. quand homme veut depasser femme a la beaute la il faut bien le verifier au microscope.
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Date d'inscription : 14/06/2008
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